7 show up for the first major GOP debate – Thank GOD there wasn’t 8

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GOFFSTOWN, N.H — The first major debate of the 2012 Republican presidential race is in the books, a two-hour affair where the seven candidates on stage avoided attacking one another and instead focused their rhetorical firepower on President Obama.

Our picks are below. Agree? Disagree? The comments section awaits.

WINNERS

Michele Bachmann: For viewers who had never heard of the Minnesota Congresswoman before tonight, she put on quite a show. For the first 45 minutes of the debate, Bachmann dominated the stage with quotable lines galore and an audience hanging on her every word. She faded somewhat in the middle of the debate — particularly with her confusing answer on whether she supports a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage — but rallied in the closing moments. What Bachmann proved tonight? She’s ready for primetime.

Mitt Romney: Romney came into the debate as the frontrunner in New Hampshire and nationally and he did nothing in the 120 minutes on stage at Saint Anselm College to change that. Romney was serious and well informed — in a word: presidential. His debate experience from 2008 clearly paid off as he stayed focused on President Obama and the economy to the exclusion of almost everything else. Romney also benefited from the fact that none of his rivals seemed to have the stomach to attack him directly. And, health care was — at best — a tangential topic. All in all a very good night for Romney.

John King: Moderating any debate at any level is tough. Doing so with seven presidential candidates on stage and questions coming fast and furious from the audience is even tougher. King navigated those waters with ease. He also did all he could to keep candidates from filibustering and making them answer the questions asked of them.

This or that: Yes, the idea of forcing candidate to choose between Pepsi and Coke or Johnny Cash and Elvis was a little gimmicky but it’s often those allegedly silly questions where who these people really are is revealed. Count us as a fan.

LOSERS

Tim Pawlenty: Pawlenty came into the debate with perhaps the biggest challenge: to prove that the insider buzz he has been generating of late could be translated to a public forum. He had moments where he shined — his answer on the separation of church and state was outstanding — but by and large he came across as a bit over-programmed. Pawlenty also seemed to pass on a golden opportunity to prove his “tell the truth” credentials when King asked him about his criticism of Romney’s health care plan. Pawlenty demurred even though 36 hours before he had described the law as “Obamneycare”. Strange.

Herman Cain: After winning the first debate of the year in South Carolina, expectations were high for the Georgia businessman. And for the first hour (or so) of the debate, he held his own. But, Cain’s answer on whether he would have a Muslim in his Cabinet was confusing at best and offensive at worst and will be, without question, the memorable moment of the debate for him. And that’s not a good memory.

Confrontation: King as well as the other journalists asking the questions did everything they could to get the candidates into showdowns with one another. And, time and again, the candidates took a pass — perhaps convinced that throwing a rhetorical punch this early in the nominating process would do more harm than good. The result? A relatively tepid debate with candidates largely agreeing with one another on the major issues of the day.

Foreign policy: In case you were wondering what the 2012 election is likely to focus on, domestic issues dominated all but the final 15 minutes of tonight’s debate. The lone foreign policy question that got extended treatment was the American military presence in Afghanistan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/new-hampshire-republican-debate-winners-and-losers/2011/06/13/AGZCqsTH_blog.html

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21 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. WakeUpAmerica
    Jun 13, 2011 @ 18:53:25

    Don’t be thanking God yet. It ain’t over until the fat la…er…whiney butt sings.

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  2. Liz Vagsness
    Jun 13, 2011 @ 19:35:46

    Did you notice when Michelle Bachmann made a point of saying that she “delivered five babies”? I felt as if this was a comment directed at the lousy Mrs. Palin who uses all kinds of weird language to intimate that she’s had five kids when she absolutely did not.

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    • Syrin
      Jun 13, 2011 @ 19:47:23

      I did. We can debate all the issues and not like what each may believe is the right way to go. But, you can’t fake being genuine and a decent person. I can safely say Michelle Bachmann held her own along side her fellow GOP’ers. More than Palin can ever do! I actually fear for Rep Bachmann. I think that we might see Palin’s crazies misrepresenting and possibly make personal attacks toward Michlle Bachmann. Especially if whackadoodle just can’t stand others getting all the attention

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      • WakeUpAmerica
        Jun 13, 2011 @ 20:26:49

        Well then!! I think I will just jump right in and do it on their behalf. I don’t know about you, but I have seen way too many times when she said something incredibly wrong or stupid. She is factually challenged in so many ways. She easily rivals Sarah in her stupidity of the Constitution and American history. I fault her more because she is actually an attorney. I also love how she is afraid to debate a 16-year-old on these topics. Ignorant much?

      • Kate
        Jun 13, 2011 @ 23:53:12

        The crazies at C4P have already waded into the “let’s threaten Bachmann” territory. Here’s a copy of a letter one of them sent to Bachmann. They’re quite proud of their handiwork with the emails that were released and think that once Palin enters the race, the rest of the field will scatter due to being terrified of her base. Considering she “sold” 2.4 million copies of Going Rogue and America by Heart “sold” 700k, I’d say her base has shrunk appreciably over the last two years. Many of those books were bought by Newsmax and other conservative groups.

        Here’s the letter. Warning, you’re entering crazyland when you read this.

        MY LETTER TO MICHELE BACHMANN’S EMAIL TELLING ME ….SHE “IS IN
        “……..Dear Michele….. I was a supporter of you and Sarah
        Palin…a very STRONG supporter for both. Although, I am primarily FOR
        Sarah Palin and I want HER as my President. I am appalled and disgusted
        at your choosing of Ed Rollins for Team Bachmann…..you HAVE AND WILL
        LOSE ALOT OF YOUR SUPPORT because of THAT decision !!!!
        Actually….you LOST MINE ….. It is going to get nasty between you and
        Sarah and that is something I WILL NOT TOLERATE as a Conservative
        lady……and voter …..I WONT STAND FOR THAT ….SO DONT “GO THERE”
        !!!! If it gets nasty between YOU AND SARAH……REMEMBER THIS
        ………. I HAVE SARAH PALIN’S BACK ………….AND SO WILL MOST OF
        THOSE YOU THINK SUPPORT YOU ….. I DO like you Michele….I always
        did…..and I know you are a Christian lady, educated, smart, and a
        wonderful person…….BUT IF YOU TAKE THIS MEAN AND NASTY AGAINST SARAH
        PALIN …….. You are going to FIND THAT “PALIN NATION ” WON’T LET
        YOU BY WITH IT !!!!! We are ready to FIGHT YOU tooth and nail
        ……and STAND BEHIND ….. SARAH PALIN…… I WANT a Conservative
        woman to be our President….and I DO admire you and how you want Obama
        to be a ONE TERM PRESIDENT …… BUT ….IF SARAH DECIDES TO RUN FOR
        PRESIDENT AND YOU DO ANYTHING……ANYTHING AT ALL …..TO BE NASTY OR
        MEAN TO HER ….. IT IS ……….GAME ON FROM PALIN SUPPORTERS AGAINST
        YOU MICHELE ………… We do not WANT to do this …..BUT WE ARE
        PREPARED ….. AND WE WILL STAND BEHIND SARAH WITH STEALTH FORCE
        …………….. God Bless You In Your Endeavors…..KEEP IT A CLEAN
        CHRISTIAN FIGHT…… Sincerely,

      • Syrin
        Jun 14, 2011 @ 00:34:46

        That email is sickening to me. I can’t believe that this is a Christian, conservative, woman? I’m stunned!!

  3. WakeUpAmerica
    Jun 13, 2011 @ 20:28:38

    Personally, I found it more rewarding to watch the Stanley Cup Finals instead of the clown debate. Can’t tell you how much I enjoyed taunting my Canadian (Vancouver no less) sister. Tee hee. Go Bruins!!

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    • WakeUpAmerica
      Jun 14, 2011 @ 15:26:41

      Oooh, a thumb’s down! Must be a Canuck fan. We’ll see what happens in the final games. It’s been an exciting competition.

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  4. WakeUpAmerica
    Jun 14, 2011 @ 00:26:30

    Kate,
    Thanks for that laugh. The writer obviously uses the term “conservative lady” loosely as she blatantly threatens to kick Backmann’s ass (and implies worse) if she even hurts Scary Sarah’s feelings. Poor little Whiney-butt needs her minions to protect her. Poor baby, poor baby.

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  5. shughes2853
    Jun 14, 2011 @ 04:21:42

    Holy shit! This is creepy. These palinbots are seriouusly challenged intellectually. That letter sounded like a 3rd grade child – the person writing it also sounded like she was either bipolar or worse. yikes.

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  6. Martha
    Jun 14, 2011 @ 05:51:20

    The Palinbots heads are exploding because everyone thinks that Sarah is just a Michele Bachmann “wanna be”:

    “Romney won. Bachmann surged. Cain disappointed. Pawlenty whiffed. Gingrich slept. Santorum fretted. Paul scolded.

    Romney’s only real competition was Michele Bachmann, who semi-officially announced she was running for president during the debate. Yesterday, I wrote that Bachmann is the candidate that Sarah Palin was supposed to be. Last night, I think she proved it. If you wanted a Mama Grizzly, Bachmann repeatedly reminded you that she’d fostered more than 20 children. If you wanted someone who wasn’t a career politician, Bachmann didn’t run for office until 2006. But she also delivered an easy, fluent discussion of the policy. She even got the coveted Dan Drezner nod in the foreign policy section. Her candidacy has mostly been greeted as a longshot bid, but on the stage last night, she came across as one of the primary’s clear heavyweights.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/wonkbook-the-debate-in-14-words/2011/06/14/AG0hROUH_blog.html

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  7. Martha
    Jun 14, 2011 @ 05:58:25

    Syrin
    Jun 14, 2011 @ 00:34:46

    00 Rate This
    That email is sickening to me. I can’t believe that this is a Christian, conservative, woman? I’m stunned!!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Palin followers are not “Christians”, they are as mentally unbalanced as Palin is.

    Anyone who practices a sincere Christian faith would recognize Palin as a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    My mother told me that like attracts like, birds of a feather flock together etc. and so it is with the Palin’s cult followers.

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  8. TSUSHOGO:::The Chinese Holocaust
    Jun 14, 2011 @ 10:17:04

    The gods tempt people for which they are most weak. Artificial Intelligence will create desire in people’s minds for the following sins:::
    1. Alcohol
    2. Drugs
    3. Preditory “earning”
    4. Homosexuality
    5. Gambling
    6. Something for nothing/irresponsibility (xtianity)
    7. Polygamy/superiority over women/misogyny (Islam)
    Much like the other prophets Mohhamed (polygamy/superiority over women/misogyny) and Jesus (forgiveness/savior), the gods use me for temptation as well. In today’s modern society they feel people are most weak for popular culture/sensationalism, and the clues date back to WorldWarII and Unit731:TSUSHOGO.
    It has been discussed that, similar to the Matrix concept, the gods will offer a REAL “Second Coming of Christ”, while the “fake” Second Coming will come at the end and follow New Testiment scripture and their xtian positioning. I may be that real Second Coming.
    What I teach is the god’s true way. It is what is expected of people, and only those who follow this truth will be eligible to ascend into heaven as children in a future life. They offered this event because the masses have just enough time to work on and fix their relationship with the gods and ascend, to move and grow past Planet Earth, before the obligatory xtian “consolation prize” of “1000 years with Jesus on Earth” begins.

    Your job as a future mother is to learn the god’s ways and to help your child understand despite the negative reinforcement and conditioning of today’s society. Without consciousous parents the child will have no hope, and may even exaserbate their disfavor by becoming corrupted in today’s environment.
    Your ultimate goal is to fix your relationship wiith the gods and move on. You don’t want to be comfortable here, and the changes in Western society in the last 100 years has achieved just that.
    1000 years with Jesus is the consolation prize. Don’t be deceived into thinking that is the goal.

    The Prince of Darkness, battling the gods over the souls of the Damned.
    It is the gods who have created this environment and led people into Damnation with temptation. The god’s positioning proves they work to prevent people’s understanding.
    How often is xtian dogma wrong? Expect it is about the Lucifer issue as well.
    The fallen god, fighting for justice for the disfavored, banished to Earth as the fallen angel?
    I believe much as the Noah’s Flood event, the end of the world will be initiated by revelry among the people. Revelry will be positioned to be sanctioned by the gods and led for “1000 years with Jesus on Earth”.
    In light of modern developments this can entail many pleasures:::Medicine “cures” aging, the “manufacture” of incredible beauty via cloning as sex slaves, free (synthetic) cocaine, etc.
    Somewhere during the 1000 years the party will start to “die off”, literally. Only those who maintain chaste, pure lifestyles will survive the 1000 years. They will be the candidates used to (re)colonize (the next) Planet Earth, condemned to relive the misery experienced by the peasantry during Planet Earth’s history.
    If this concept of Lucifer is true another role of this individual may be to initiate disfavor and temptation among this new population, the proverbial “apple” of this Garden of Eden. A crucial element in the history of any planet, he begins the process of deterioration and decay that leads civilizations to where Planet Earth remains today.

    Only children go to heaven. By the time you hit puberty it is too late. This is charecteristic of the gods:::Once you realize what you have lost it is too late.
    Now you are faced with a lifetime to work to prepare for your next chance. Too many will waste this time, getting stoned, “Hiking!”, working, etc.

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    • Syrin
      Jun 14, 2011 @ 10:34:01

      LORD have MERCY!!!
      2 Tim 3-5
      For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of leaders and teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

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  9. climber357
    Jun 14, 2011 @ 10:21:46

    Presidential campaigns do not select a candidate. Presidential campaigns create a candidate. I agree with the author of this article about the winners. But it is still way too early for anything significant to happen. However, I can see the possibility of a Romney/Bachmann ticket.

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  10. JLaughlin
    Jun 14, 2011 @ 13:47:22

    The missing one has been hinting that she may start a 3rd party (that keeps the flying monkeys sending her checks). If she does it will be called POM – Party of MEEEEEEEE.

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    • Syrin
      Jun 14, 2011 @ 14:06:13

      Oh yeah, Third party or a write in campagin.. She’s that delusional!!! It’s more like a 3rd Column!!
      I’ve always called the Palin’s “A Scandal Factory” Well, those rabid people who worship her w/ blind allegience are nothing more than a propaganda factory, and very similar to the nazi’s “fifth column” activities…

      Reply

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